p.s. if alcohol did become illegal, the police would have to kill me before
i distroy my supply and hand in my beer making equipment and still.

Brooke.Fuckin.Murray
Queensland
I think that this law to outlaw bongs and other smoking equipment is an out rage they are taking this too far, they have not stopped and thought about people that have to have a smoke to survive like not talking just on addiction but on injury realted... to take away the right to sell clean and proper pipes and bongs you are just making matters worse do you just think everyone is going to stop smoking just beacuse they dont have a bong or pipe NO they will find somthink to smoke out of even if its dirty of could make them sick i think this has gone on far enough and they all need to get over it weed is weed a bong is a bong its your own life your fucking up if you choose it so they should just leave people alone.

And like it is mentioned, bongs are the safest way to smoke anything, and taking bongs off the shelves won't do a damn thing, and it just shows how naive and stupid the government is on matters such as these. They don't have
any proffessional opinion, just their hypocrytical dogma that they insist on ramming down the throats of society.

in conclusion. fuck you chris pyne, fuck you john howard, fuck you mike rann fuck the whole government. you're a bunch of pumpkin headed idiots and it's utterly amusing that you think you know everything because you don't know
shit....Peace

Regarding the "CSI Adelaide" article entitled (Cannabis | possession an invitation for trouble) Home - the danger zone (The Advertiser 11/8/07), I have to say, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The article appears to
make the claim that the violent home invasion in Craigmore was linked to drugs.
If this is the case, then I would like to know a few things: firstly, if the occupant's possession of cannabis were a mitigating factor in the robbery, then why did police find "a _small amount_ of cannabis"? Secondly, it seems
that if this robbery truly was linked to drugs, then wouldn't the burglars have stolen said drugs as well as, or instead of "only.three rings and two bracelets"
From my perspective, it seems that the couple's possession of cannabis was simply co-incidental to this violent crime, especially seeing as there is no report of any actually being stolen.

The article then goes on to quote Detective Chief Inspector Joanne Shanahan as saying "If you have drugs in your home then you are creating a higher risk for yourself in relation to these types of crimes" - but how would potential home invaders/burglars know if you were in possession of "small amounts" of drugs?
In all honesty, it looks like a co-incidental detail in a home invasion has been spun into a leading factor in the invasion occurring in the first place.

Hopefully enough people getting together can create a loud enough voice to end the constant lies.

The press have got hold of this one and blown it right up. The police have been a little naughty as it would seem, and not gone about things the right way, with feeding information to the press to make themselves look better, aswel as not providing inventorys.

Banning the sale of bongs and pipes will go no way in curbing the amount of people taking recreational drugs or disbanding the current drug culture.

I am some what lucky in the fact that the laws in the UK are different. Over this side of the pond we can sell most stuff (including seeds) aslong as its for a novelty purpose. However our piercing laws vairy from county to county
and are now due to be re-written into some of the strictest in the EU.

Simon & Ben;- Keep up the good work guys and pierce the masses one hole at a time.

Big love to the Brisvegas crew

Alex

As the OYT administrator was alluding to, it's difficult (ridiculous) to group bongs and other form's of marijuana smoking devices together with 'Ice' pipes. I genuinely believe that something drastic should be done in relation to the current ice 'epidemic' that Australia is currently facing. I am sure that I am not alone in this forum with this belief. IF and it's a big if, banning the sale of these pipes will put a significant halt into the sale/use of this drug, then implement it, or at least trial it (would this work?). But, bong's?? As it has been stated numerous times in this forum, marijuana will still be smoked regardless and the use of a 'real' bong is apparently the safest way to smoke, so why would we prevent the use of the safest way to smoke marijuana? Especially when other drug's (albeit much more dangerous and addictive) are given implements to encourage safe use.

Yes it is true that there are indeed links to long-term over-use of marijuana and schizophrenia and this is an issue that should be of concern/reference to users, however, it ultimately should be the person's own decision. All we should do as a society is allow as much information on the topic as is available and let them know the possible side-affects and let them make their own decision.

We are in the unfortunate position of being governed by cowboy's who seem to believe that everything can be solved with a knee-jerk reaction and banning of these implement's seemed to be the easiest avenue to take.
I no longer smoke marijuana and ultimately this decision will not affect me, but I have many friends who still do, all of whom have regular, honest employment and have a healthy life outside of their smoke and it seems unreasonable to one day put a halt to the selling of bong implements just because 'ice' is causing such a major issue in our community (n.b - I cannot say I strongly disagree with the prevention of ice implements, double standards, maybe, but that's how I roll).

It seems to me that this new law has been implemented due to the inept ability of 'taskforce's' whose job it was to make inroads into the production and distribution of these drug's and when then these aim's fell into the too hard basket , the end-user bore the grunt of their frustration.

And as for alcohol, I have a friend, who says she enjoys it more and its cheaper. 50 bucks of pot can serve me and a bunch of friends (light weight - whoo yeah!) while 50 bucks can do me and 2 friends. I find pot cheaper.

My friend says shes happier when shes drunk.
She was crying last time, and hitting everyone.
Last time she smoked, and everytime she smoked, she's been happy and laughing her head off at anything and everything... Pot makes you happier.

Pot should be legal, as alcohol should be too, honestly, its peoples own fault for using it at their risk.
and as for laws, maybe the age of 16-18 can drink/smoke.

I'm 15, and I do both, law doesn't stop me, it just makes most of us more inspired to do it?
It's true right? what teenager doesn't enjoy breaking the law for the fun of the risk?

Think about it, if you ban the selling of bongs and the like, people are just going to attempt to make their own and get even more toxic chemicals in their system. So much for looking out for Australia.
THEY are killing us slowly.

Jesekah
Adelaide
They definitely shouldnt be banned. If so, people will just make their own...and in most cases that will involve smoking through plastic bottles..which is obviously very unhealthy. The government would already know this...so instead of banning bongs, maybe they should think about the free needle service being provided by some places to cater to junkies.

Across the road from my old work was a place called 'Shopfront'. They would supply 'clean and safe' needles to junkies...the junkies would then just leave them laying around the carpark. Not exactly what I would call safe.

I am unsure if Shopfront is government owned, either way, why ban bongs when needles are getting provided to junkies who then dispose of them in carparks. The government would say that providing them with needles is safer than having them all share needles, thus helping to prevent blood-borne diseases,...so the health of a junkie is important to the government but smokers obviously arent as important, as they will be forced to smoke through plastic drink bottles and other home made contraptions. It seems a bit weird to me!